WHEN CHEAP IS NOT CHEAP ENOUGH

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WHY CHEAP IS NOT CHEAP ENOUGH

Over the past several months Legend has either purchased or been consigned several million dollars worth of coins. ALL were either PCGS or NGC graded. Most were perceived to be solid for the grade (at least that is what they were sold as).

Sadly, if I had to estimate, LESS than 40% of the coins were accurately graded or did not have problems. Recently I got in a group that consisted of OVER $1 million dollars worth of rare GOLD. It was sickening what I saw. The collector had trolled around auctions by himself and bought what he thought had been cheap. Sadly, I am not sure I can ever sell several coins in the deal-they are that horrific (I will be sending them back to their grading service for that fun affair).

This collector was dead in the water since these purchases all came from auctions. If he put these coins back in auction, the chances of him profiting today are extremely slim or even none. Even if the coins had come from a dealer its wierd that collectors typically do not go back to the original seller for various reasons. Once we even heard of a well known company that simply refused to buy back what it had sold.

Dealers have a saying about buying bad coins: “Cheap is not cheap enough”. That is so true especially in this tightening market. I will repeat this many times because people do not believe it or just do not understand it.

In all these deals Legend got in, the majority of the “lesser” quality coins, we either did not want at all, or could only make offers that were cents on the dollar. Of course the collectors grumbled a little, but they now see why they bought them at cheap prices. Legend does not and never will retail inferior coins because in the end, NO ONE WINS. We ALWAYS WHOLESALE any “bad” coin we buy (or send it to the grading services to fix).

Because a dealer has a “slick” web site or smiles a lot, does not show anything about their abilities and overall competence. You’d be very surprised at some of the bigger names who either know NOTHING (yes, NOTHING) about coin grading or don’t even own their own inventory. Or, the worst issue: a dealer who is a price buyer. PRICE BUYERS NEVER get offered real quality. All these dealers want to do is sell to you for as much as possible-they do not care about the coins quality. Too many people have gotten hooked by a great story and end up with a marginal coin in the wrong holder. Today a coin like that is OFF by 50-70%!

If you are bidding in an auction and the bidding stops dirt cheap-there is a reason why. Do know that in EVERY MAJOR AUCTION there is a small group of long time sharp dealers who can and will buy anything that sells cheap. They do not miss a trick. Do not think you are making a “eureka” discovery. You won your coin cheap because you didn’t really pay cheap and/or there is something seriously unsaleable about it. In a sense if you bargain hunt in auction, you are very likely to be part of the “greater fool theory”.

Always remember: in any market: A BAD COIN IS A BAD COIN! If you buy say a CERTIFIED 1901S 25C IN MS65 and it has a bad cut across the face, know it will ALWAYS be a damaged coin. Even if you paid 50% of what a true MS65 sells for-you did NOT get any bargain. Down the road, this coin will ALWAYS have trouble with resale because it is a problem coin. Ditto for any expensive gold pieces say that have been recolored (of which there are many). Only in a super charged up market like we are coming out of could these bad coins sell for any decent money. Never think you are smarter than the market and you should NEVER bid blind. The 5% you pay a dealer to help you at auction WILL end up making you money. And sometimes, you’ll pay no fee at all because you won’t buy anything (which quite possibly WILL save you money).

Even if you disagree with the CAC concept, know one thing, there is no better group dedicated to saving the consumer from buying doctored coins. If you buy gold, you very much DO want all your coins to be CAC’d (especially Early Gold). You’d be amazed how good the docs are and how many dealers on average will miss the teenie gobs of putty.

WHY BUY COINS TODAY

What is cheap today, is the OVERALL marketplace. Sure this is self serving: BUY COINS NOW-its a great time to do so!

I dearly love gold bugs. Gold goes down, they scream: time to buy. Gold goes up: wahoo! It will be a zillion dollars by this next year. They NEVER stop being positive about gold. The past two years have been very good them. I mention them because they pretty much are contrarian thinkers. Coin buyers need to be also.

Some of the most famous collectors; Norweb, Elaisberg, Pittman, didn’t sit on their hands in slower markets. They bought during the peak cycles and and down cycles. They were never afraid because they had a vision/goal to complete. In building a great collection, the prices do average out in the end.

Today’s coin market is off at most 10-20% on nice rare coins. That’s nothing. Its not a time to be afraid to buy. Had you bought GE one month ago when it was around $7 and looked like it was doomed (the smart money knew it was too big and had too much cash) you have cashed out some where around $10.50 this month! That’s a 50%+ rise in 30 days! Sadly, very few people took the risk. Yeah, that’s a dramatic example, but you can buy plenty of solid value rare coins with out worrying if they will drop more in value. Nothing is guaranteed, but many coins do have strong fundamentals still. We do NOT see the coin market as still sliding down.

In today’s coin market, it is the best buying time in 5 years! April is historically a slow month and this one is proving so with power. That means it is a buyers market. Most dealers will deal and give the best prices possible if you ask (Legend included). Sure, there is always a chance of a coin falling in value, but the “right” coin WILL do well if put away-especially if purchased now and not in a booming bull market.

IN CLOSING

Again, the biggest thing, you can not do this by yourself! Pay a professional 5% to look at the coins and help you, it is more than worth it. If they are good and honest, they WILL find your “great deals” and make sure they are up to snuff with far less risk. You do not want to buy an inferior coin no matter how cheap it gets. And if they tell you “no” on a coin-be grateful!

Nothing drives me more batty then I get these collections or groups of coins to buy and they are all dreck. The services should be spanked, the dealers who sold them should be shot, and the buyers need some education about going it alone. This cycle has to be broken. Let all the crap languish. At some point the services will be forced to take this stuff off the market so collectors won’t get trapped. After all, we were promised accurate grading when the services started. I am tired of having to be the barer of bad news to collectors about the quality they do not have.

Again do not be afraid to buy coins, things are cheap and its a BUYERS MARKET! I predict, by this summer, you’ll be glad you did!

P.S. I must be getting old. I had several different articles written. They all would have gotten me thrown out of something. I still am not sure why I erased them. Do know I will NEVER give up on my fight against coin doctors and gradeflation.

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About the Author

Laura Sperber is one of the Owners of Legend Numismatics. She is a passionate and outspoken dealer who says what she believes and is a strong proponent of numismatic standards. Since 1987. Legend Numismatics has built an unequaled reputation among casual collectors and avid investors alike by locating and procuring top quality rare coins.

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  1. John Wray | Jun 2, 2009 | Reply

    It would be nice if you did an article on different shows on Home Shopping shows that have salesmen hawking all of these Perfect 70 coins and charging an arm and leg for them when, in actuality, they are probably 69’s or 68’s which was my experience. I have been foolish enough to purchase numerous coins over the years from a certain HSN coin collector show and the results of recent regradings were startling. 14 of 16 coins graded by the company that they were dealing with (ICG)were misgraded, which lowered the resale value by tens of thousands of dollars.

    One of the coins I bought is valued by PCGS at $9750.00 as a PR70DCAM but the value drops to $53 when graded a PR67DCAM. I have 2 coins graded PR70DCAM by ICG. They are from the 1999-S Silver Statehood Quarter set sold by HSN and Mike Mezak who is the salesman for the Coin Collector show. I sent the entire set into PCGS to be regraded and reslabbed into what I thought would be a PR70DCAM set worth a great deal of money. Every coin was graded lower than 70. Three of the coins were graded 69 and the other 2 were lower than that. The $9750.00 coin was not a 70…..it was a 67…How bad can a grader be to be that far off?

    I sent it back to ICG along with 9 other coins for regrading. They admitted that 7 of the 10 coins submitted were overgraded, but they held their ground by swearing that the $9750.00 coin was a 70 and not a lower grade. PCGS graded it a 67 so I had them grade it AGAIN….Same result a 70!!!

    I think it would be nice if you could mount a campaign so that every person who ever purchased an ICG graded coin from HSN submit it to NGC or PCGS for regrading. I believe that HSN wouldn’t mind since Mike Mezak who is the host of the Coin Collector show is always saying that the PR70’s are guaranteed for perpetuity so he must be right. Except for the 14 of 16 overgraded coins that I submitted.

    Please contact me if you have any questions. I do have a question that you might help me with. Did the graders from ICG recently go over to ANACS to grade for them? Also, didn’t HSN start selling ANACS graded coins about the same time? A friend of mine said something like “They are following the easy 70’s” Just curious!

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